just because they go to medical school doesn't mean they will be practicing in the UK 5 yrs post graduation. So in a decade that has seen the number of elderly increas, the number of chronic illness increase and an obesity epidemic we have effectively bee training less Drs to deal with it.One would suggest suggest the horse is already half way to Australia and these poor lambs will be left shovelling rose fertiliser.
Bonza idea . I am sure young Ozzie Gps will be tempted to come . They will stay a year, travel the sites of Europe , realise just how blessed and well paid they are in Oz and return home . There is a reason why there is a flow of drs from the Uk to Oz . it is the same reason why any Gp over the age of 50 can't wait to retire .
This could increase Gp numbers and will fit well in a depersonalised conveyer belt system lacking continuity and using a salaried model .
NHS recruitment in general is becoming more unethical. it is not just the poaching of Drs from Ireland to England that should be of concern but the general wholesale poaching of health care staff for resource poor countries. Many Drs are now being brought in from Africa, from countries who struggle to provide even the very basics of health care for their populations.what then happens to those populations ?
If medicine had not been made so unpalatable we would not have the retention andrecruitment disaster we now face. we should not try to solve our problems by worsening those in countries with far less resources and who's people have a quieter voice .
Would you want to he registered at a practice with 30 000 patients ?
In resource poor countries primary health care is delivered by non-Drs. This model proposes a Gp lead rather than Gp delivered service. Clever spin as essentially it is proposing a system in which a patients chance of seeing a Dr become more and more remote.
Will it be cheaper , probably not as the general public generally want to see a Dr and if all else fails achieve this by presenting at A&E . And also generally not, as the chances of actually seeing someone who knows your history is unlikely . That is even before considering where the 120 GPs will come from , presumably not home grown . Gp does benefit from scale . small scale,for primary consultations by highly qualified Drs in practices where patients can get an appointment in a timely fashion with a Gp who can follow them up appropriately .
Patient demand now significantly outstrips GP supply and so a dilution of the system is inevitable .To spin this as a positive is deceptive .It is a shame the 35M couldn't be found years ago when it could have supported high quality healthcare instead of buying high quality veneer for a system descending to failure.
so the indemnity bodies now define ooh work, amongst other things as 111 having the ability to book appointments directly . If for his criteria remains does this mean all work will essentially become ooh for insurance purposes ?
what a common sence article. Sadly such outdated thinking has been overtaken by no win no fee Lawers and the upsurge in low risk ' cover your own bottom' practice; the worst case scenario health messages put out by main stream media creating a " better to check dr" neurotic society and the obsessional, glamorisation of being a patient in the endless TV soaps and fly on the wall documentaries.
We knew a flu epidemic was imminent but I have yet to see one public health message on peak time TV telling people en mass how to care for themselves rather than getting worn out gps to do it on an individual basis .
As the NHS sinks we need more collective, mass messaging not less ie a cohesive public health approach. cutting the public health budget just shows how little our overlords understand or highlight the fact they are sailing a completely different course.
I thought malaria prophylaxis was a private prescription? if you can afford to travel to a malaria area can afford the prophylaxis.
so approx 1 in 4 patients contacting the 111 non emergency number are deemed to have a life threatening emergency requiring immediate A&E treatment . Really ???? and then they wonder why the system is breaking .
Is it because the app doesn't have a bottom and so doesn't need to cover it that it is happy to make less referrals to GP ???
The biggest problem the NHS faces is " no one wants to be one anymore" ; be it nurses, midwives, GPS or A&E dr. Med school places now go to clearing . Not sure which bit of this Mr Hunt doesn't understand . No staff: No service . You have broken us and it irreparably. The NHS isn't about numbers it is about people.
we have gp front door streaming . costs a fortune and redirects very little . only works if highly experienced gps who are willing to manage risk stream and are able to redirect patients back to see their own gp in a timely fashion. patients come to a&e because can't get gp appointments and gp send patients to a&e as hospital has no beds for direct admissions . absurdly pointless. expensive time consuming steps added . quality added =0
The problem in a nutshell:noone wants to be one anymore. A profession of the newly qualified, in a system alien to our own will certainly increase the numbers but will do absolutely nothing to maintain standards as no one left to mentor and support them and so the trend of offloading onto A&E will continue and increase so hastening the demise of the nhs
At what point do we stop trying to increase supply, which frankly, is never going to be enough and start addressing demand . this is where the warnings need to be . massive media campaign to realign patients behaviour with frank warning if this does not occur the only recourse will be to charge for gp appointments.That,I believe would fix the problem very rapidly. similar rapid improvement would be seen with the instant scrapping of the 111 service.
And that is what it will do, address the numbers . what we need is high quality, well trained , fluent in both the English language an British culture. Not making up of the numbers which causes increase pressure through inappropriate out patient and a&e referrals .
Do they really think good quality Aussie GPS will give up their high earnings and balanced lifestyles to work in the NHS.
Madness. We have a gp crisis. We have a demand crisis . I work in one of these scenes as a streamer and a gp and now commonly here" I couldn't get a gp appointment for today so I have come here" . " I have been referred to a specialist but the appointment isn't until next month so I have come here". " My no surgery had no appointments so told me to go to the wic and the nurse has sent me up here"
It doesn't get existing inappropriate attenders out ,it Hoover's in a whole new cohort.
For doing all of this work I get paid significantly higher that the local locum rate, which is less than £80 an hour and would have a significant pay cut if they bring in the £80 cap.
Does the scheme solve anything : no as the problem is a gp staffing crisis locally + unrealistic expectations + growing waiting lists + a"better to check " mentality = unsustainable.
Getting GPS to record obs and take a quick streaming history at huge cost is pure futility and setting up as a gp in a&e just allows patients to be seen at huge cost to the nhs instead of waiting the turn in failing gp land .
Put the money into patient education gp education and funding gp land and you might get somewhere.
In my experience only a very small percentage of these patients are fully sorted and the vast majority are directed back to their own gp for review of their ongoing / chronic problem they either wanted a second opinion on; had been told there was no appt for at their own surgery or just thought the best outing on a cold and wet easter weekend was their local a&e.
Sort out the funding Staffing crisis in GP and this demand disappear. Just a thought .
surely the key statement is low cost? There are vulnerable groups but if we are talking calpol for instance, if you can't afford the occasional bottle then I think there are far bigger questions to answer for society to answer. The real cost to the NHS for the gp appointment is multiple times the cost of the prescription and hence in financial terms truly ridiculous . No one would pay a credit card fee of £5 to pay a bill of 50p so why does the nhs?
Having said that current government schemes are anti value for money . schemes for gps in a&e pay the gps a premium rate and yet a lage proportion of the patients seen have to see their own gp as gps outside of routine general practice can't refer to opd, expedite appointments or provide appropriate second opinion. likewise gps streaming in a&e is unlikely to see patients turned away as the personal risk is too high. As the NHS finances become increasingly untenable, I think a wide ranging review of value for money is needed if it is to survive into the next decade, not just a very small reduction in the smarties we prescribe .
At last ; common sense .
Poor sods don't realise the money is so good because the job is so bad.Interesting concept that uk graduates not being insentivised so actively. I am certain local practices don't pay salaried gps 90k and do we really think these poor lambs will survive insanity for long enough to move up the pay scale working a 10 session week? There is a very good reason why home grown gps choose not to.
what does alternative route to language skills mean. If they can't speak-a -de -English they are going to really struggle,unless of course the patients don't either !
when oh when will Mr Hunt finally get it? Doesn't matter where you place the supply if it remains the same amount of supply ie GPS parked in surgeries or GPS parked in A&E all that happens is you move the demand around . Demand is excessive and cannot be met as even with increased funding, no one wants to do the job anymore,unless you happen to be Bulgarian and have no idea what awaits. The only solution is to reduce demand either through massive public education campaigns and increase self care capabilities to that of our European and antipodean cousins or charge .Not rocket science Mr Hunt. Simple economics .