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Minister reveals plans to bring in 'daytime out of hours'
05 Nov 09
The Government is considering introducing a ‘daytime out of hours’ system to get round obstacles to abolishing GP practice boundaries, the health minister has revealed.
Speaking at the RCGP conference in Glasgow, Mike O’Brien said it may be possible for GPs to relinquish responsibility for daytime home visits for patients who chose to register at practices far away from their home.
Responsibility would fall on third party providers such as existing out-of-hours companies.
But the plans came under a barrage of criticism from GPs, who claimed the move is unworkable and will damage patient care.
Mr O’Brien was forced to defend plans to scrap boundaries, after GPs from the audience warned they risked jeopardizing the holistic nature of general practice.
The minister admitted details of how the plans will work in practice still needed much ironing out but attempted to reassure GPs by saying he did not expect many patients to move practices.
Mr O'Brien said: ‘The reason we’re doing this, is not because we believe large numbers of patients are going to start switching from one practice to another. I don’t think that’s likely to happen. Most people will stay with the GP they currently have.
‘But we do know that some people, particularly younger people, who are working in a big city, may want a GP in the centre of the city.
He added: ‘That will produce the issues of how you arrange visits. That will need to be worked through in detail as to how that will be delivered. It could be through a daytime out-of-hours service, there are a number of ways in which this could be delivered. The patients who make those decisions to move GPs will have to bear in mind who they want to visit them at home.
‘I know some people will be concerned, but patients want that element of choice.’
But GPs from the audience were left unimpressed with the claims. Dr Chris Walker, a GP in Wolverhampton, received a round of applause from delegates after expressing his concern at the plans.
Dr Walker said: ‘If we’re going to have a holistic view of patient care, with an emphasis on palliative care, and if we’re really keen on training GPs, part of that is going to be in the home. How will we be able to visit patients if they need, for example, palliative care, if they live 5-10 miles away?’
RCGP chair Professor Steve Field told Pulse that while he was open to discussing the abolition of practice boundaries, he was not in favour of a ‘daytime out-of-hours’ arrangement.
He said: ‘When I was in Australia, I saw GPs give up visits during the day. To me, this was not a good use of local health resources, and fractured the continuity of care that was needed.’







Readers' comments
The only reason for practice boundaries is to have a degree of control on home visits. If a reasonable and workable programme is to be realised, I wonder how we can defend this historical way of delivering service? One would like to see what patients say.
The people who work in London or somewhere else, they can join your new Darzi polyclinics, which open 8 to 8. It will also help them to fill their patient list and Darzi can sleep well as well. We don't see much young people because they are still like a new car, apart from depression and drugs. Politicians know very well that they have got no other agenda to get votes. Credit crunch is no more interesting. War they have already won by sacrificing our young kids. Health is always an interesting topic for everyone, because there are some people who spend their 24/7 days in a GP surgery. We have started opening extended hours, also some people are opening their surgeries on Saturday and Sunday. Still public and ministers are not happy. Pay cuts, monitoring their referrals by NHS hospitals and now APMS contracts for every surgery in next few years. If we all keep on sitting by one leg over another, very soon we will see each other working under medical reps or pharmacists, because they have got better pay and better lifestyle and they do not have to put their fingers in holes or clean ministers' noses.
Contrary to the above, it is not only for control of GP visits that practice boundaries have been used. They are used to allocate workload for district nurses, health visitors and other community services. Also our mental health services operate on practice attatchments/bounaries. Continuity will be almost imposible to maintain, not to mention the extra strain it will place on such services.
Splendid idea, Mr O'Brien. Go ahead; it will be the last nail in your political coffin.
WICs, Darzi clinics, loss of GP practice boundaries, increasing numbers of salaried GPs and now daytime OOHs. Are these ministers crazy?!!!!!!!!! Healthcare access gone mad. The WICs are already being abused. Patient comes with such trivial problems on most occasions that you wonder why we even bother to see these patients. The ones who need our help genuinely is a very small percentage of it. Please stop these crazy changes or we will regret it in next 5-10 years time if we are not already doing it.