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Seven in ten GPs would not take back out-of-hours 'at any price'

Exclusive Most GPs would not take back responsibility for out-of-hours care even if they were offered up to £20,000 per partner and had a guarantee they would not have to do the on-call shifts themselves, a Pulse survey reveals.

The survey of 400 GPs reveals the extent of the opposition in the profession to resuming any kind of responsibility for out-of-hours care, with 62% saying they would support the GPC in taking some form of industrial action if NHS England seeks to change the GP contract to do this.

The survey also found considerable opposition to RCGP proposals that the profession considers taking back responsibility for the out-of-hours care for the 5% of vulnerable patients on their lists – with 87% opposed to the idea.

Half of GPs said they would still reject taking back responsibility for overseeing the quality of OOH care for their patients, even if there was a guarantee they did not have to do on-call shifts themselves – 36% were in favour.

Some 69% of GPs said they would not take back responsibility for out-of-hours care ‘at any price’, although 23% said they would do so for £20,000 per partner annually and 5% said it would take £10,000 annually for them to change their minds.

The strength of the opposition is likely to prove problematic for the GPC, who have recently been hinting that they may agree to co-operatives of GPs resuming out-of-hours responsibility for patients.

The GPC recently dropped its opposition to RCGP proposals for GPs to resume responsibility for the 24/7 care of elderly patients or those with complex medical problems, after the college clarified the proposal would be for GPs working in federations or co-operatives to take collective responsibility.

The furore over out-of-hours care was sparked by health secretary Jeremy Hunt last month when he announced that he wanted GPs to be individually responsible for their patients around the clock and given a duty to ‘sign off’ out-of-hours care.

LMC leaders last month rejected the possibility of GPs taking personal responsibility for out-of-hours care at their annual conference, and grassroots GPs taking the Pulse survey went further, saying any kind of extra responsibility should be rejected.

Dr Mark Beecham, a GP in Maldon, Essex said: ‘Definitely not. It would be the thin end of the wedge.’

Another respondent Dr Thomas Bloch, a GP in Broadway, Worcestershire said this would mean practitioners getting the blame for problems: ‘This would be a recipe for disaster - we would get the blame for any shortcomings. This is the only reason the Government wants to be shot of it.”

Responding to the survey, Dr Mary Church, a GP in Blantyre, south Lanarkshire said: ‘This is an over my dead body issue.’

Dr Richard Vautrey, GPC deputy chair, said the survey showed that contractural changes were not required as CCGs now had responsibility for out-of-hours care.

He said: ‘GPs are fearful that this would place a contractual change upon their shoulders and those who say it´s the thin end of the wedge are right.

‘We need to be very careful about any attempt to increase the weight of responsibility on GPs and we don´t want to complicate commissioning arrangements via CCGs by doing so at a time when CCGs are just getting started.’

Dr Vautrey also said that ‘no-one is threatening’ industrial action. However, he added: ‘If the Government is mad enough to go down that road, industrial action would be the least of their worries. GPs would vote with their feet and leave the profession and then you´d have a crisis in in-hours care as well.’

In full: Results of GP survey on out-of-hours care 

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Readers' comments (34)

  • I thinks Peter Swinyard's post sums up very well why Current NHS will collapse.

    It may seem old fashioned but there was a set rule of engagement. Patients had to respect it or there was a penalty.

    The only way I can see us restoring some form of order is to make NHS a non free, insurances based health care, much like in America. What a shame, I sincerely think the ethos of NHS is second to none in the world, brought down by selfishness of the nation

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  • I wish the moderator didn't go around deleting posts because i am sure interested in reading'em.It should be possible to hide the "inconvenient" postings from the general public while allowing the registered users,like the rest of us,to see them

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  • It's interesting someone has mooted private medicine. A growing murmur i notice. I wonder if this is how the Conservatives are trying to steer us in this direction.

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  • I agree striking is a complete non-starter. However if the government insist on imposing unreasonable terms its seems entirely realistic to do what the dentists did and resign from the NHS moving to a pay per use service the same as the rest of the world.

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  • Well done pulse this article has made it into the daily mail including the anon comment about charging £50 presumably for regular in hours work not out of hours as the paper suggests just shows they are stalking us so keep comments anon or you will be a target,they seem to be shocked although this fee is standard or lower than that across the English speaking world and lower than the private polish practice they lauded the other day

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  • Vinci Ho

    No matter what, this war goes on . We dare agent Hunt and his gang to pour more gasoline on fire . It appears that this has made us even more united as more people realised the 'true' face(s). Life is short , we have to be positive!
    GPC/LMC(RCGP??)Vs agent Hunt/DoH
    Editor , has Pulse officially entered the war ? Pulse Vs DM , for instance?

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  • The Daily Mail is onto this story already:
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2342039/Most-GPs-strike-return-hours-duty-demand-20-000-pay-rise-work-weekends.html

    The public are baying for our blood.The lynch mob is gathering.

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  • Just do what I did. Take VER and warn any young doctor to avoid General Practice or milk the system, get trained by the NHS then emigrate.

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  • >The public are baying for our blood.The lynch mob is gathering.

    So what? They don't like dentists either, but use them when they need to (ie when the pain gets too much and they can't coax a soft GP into giving them antibiotics).

    The DM reading public doesn't understand how much of a good deal they get from General Practice - imagine how much it would cost if GPs weren't here?

    We shouldn't worry about the public losing faith in us, they should worry about us losing faith in them.

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  • The time has come for the GPC/BMA to show leadership and negotiate with NHS England on how the majority of the population are going to access secondary care services which will remain free and drugs from pharmacies as primary care moves to the private sector the pension scheme is in ruins income falling to a level that English doctors will not work for so private practice like all dental colleagues is now a certainty we owe it to our patients to enable access to the parts of the NHS that will remain free the other countries of GB should be ok as they do not have a Tory government by the way why haven't labour pointed all this out?

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