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NHS has 'a lot to learn' from 'phenomenal' Babylon model, says RCGP chair

The NHS has ‘a lot to learn’ from Babylon’s ‘phenomenal’ GP at Hand app, the chair of the RCGP has said.

According to Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard, GP leaders did not see the ‘disruptive innovation’ coming. However, now that it is here, the NHS has to respond by rolling out similar technology across general practice as a whole.

She also suggested the model via which GP practices are paid needs to change, in order to protect practices from being destabilised.

GP at Hand uses the GP out-of-area registration scheme to sign up NHS patients from across London and beyond to a GP practice in Fulham in south west London. Patients are promised an online GP consultation within hours, and a next-day face-to-face appointment if required at a number of London hubs.

Professor Stokes-Lampard told delegates at a King’s Fund conference in London: ‘GP at Hand - disruptive innovation at its most disruptive at the moment. Phenomenal technology, phenomenal business mind behind it, actually some very good clinicians, some great training for the doctors who work in it.

‘An amazing model in fact, they look after their GPs well. There is a lot we have to learn from.’

But, reiterating allegations that GP at Hand ‘cherry picks’ young and healthy patients, Professor Stokes-Lampard said this destabilises other GP practices because their funding is based on an ‘ethical compact’ whereby they are given ‘a modest amount of money for everybody, with a very modest uplift for the most weak and frail and vulnerable’.

She added: ‘Therefore if some people cherry pick the healthy and the well, then inevitably those who are left to look after those who are very expensive are doing badly.’

And she said: ‘This is a huge warning and if you're not aware of it, you need to be because there are practices now being destabilised.’

According to Professor Helen Stokes-Lampard, NHS general practice needs to act in response, with the RCGP involved in ‘lots going on behind the scenes’.

She said: 'So you have to do one of two things. You've got to totally adopt that technology, right throughout the NHS for everybody so it destroys the business model and it is normal across the whole of general practice - tech tsunami stuff. Or you have to tear up the financial model by which we pay [GP practices].’

She added: ‘One of those things has to happen fast. I would suggest we need to do both. It's really difficult to do, difficult conversations are happening…

‘It's very stressful for those practices who are now really feeling the pinch and we're absolutely on it.’

Professor Stokes-Lampard clarified to Pulse that she was not suggesting GP at Hand should be rolled out across the NHS.

Instead she said: ‘New technology needs to be expanded. We need equitable access to innovation technology across the NHS.

‘When you have a new provider coming in, who is only prepared to look at certain sorts of people, who by definition are fitter and more healthy than the rest of the population - you are unfair to the majority.

‘So what I want is the whole of the NHS to adopt innovation, to adopt new ways of consulting.’

Her comments come as GP at Hand continues to expand it list size with over 30,000 patients signed up to the service as of the end of last month.

A Babylon spokesperson said: 'We are very pleased to hear Helen Stokes-Lampard’s supportive comments. Helen has long championed the power of technology to support GPs.

'Patients and doctors are flocking to GP at Hand because they recognise the potential that high quality, digital-first 24/7 NHS GP services bring. The hundreds of GPs who have already joined Babylon do so because they are treated with respect and not put under the levels of pressure all too common in other practices...

'NHS practices receive six times more funding for each 85-year-old woman than they do for a 15-44 year old man. But much more important is the founding principle of the NHS - a universal service, free at the point-of-need. That’s why GP at Hand is available to everyone, young or old, in good health or not, and we provide appointments 24 hours a day, seven days a week. People are choosing GP at Hand, never the other way round.

'We look forward to working constructively with the RCGP and indeed everyone who is committed to great services for patients and fulfilling roles for clinicians.'

The patients flocking to use GP at Hand

Since November, Babylon's GP at Hand service has been signing up NHS patients from across London by making use of the out-of-area registration scheme.

Patients have signed up at a rapid pace, with 30,000 registered to date and a further 20,000 applying. However, south west London CCGs have said a fifth of patients switched back after joining.

The main concern from GPs has been GP at Hand’s ‘cherry-picking’ of young and healthy patients, which they say leaves other practices to care for patients with greater needs.

The service does not block anybody from using the service, but has suggested people who are frail or elderly (or pregnant or have severe mental health issues) may be advised they are better serviced by a local practice.

The GP at Hand model is still pending an evaluation which has been commissioned by London commissioner NHS Hammersmith and Fulham CCG, where Babylon's NHS host GP practice is based.

Ipsos Mori recently won the the £250k bid to review the service's ‘outcomes and impacts’.

Readers' comments (39)

  • I stopped my subs quite literally the day I got my CCT.

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  • Stopped my subs too.....
    HSL has nothing to offer......

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  • In defense of Helen Stokes-lampard, she did not say Babylon was phenomenal. She spoke of the phenomenal uptake by patients but she was also mindful that nhs should be a needs based service and not a want based service. But never the less she said we needed to respond to this technological change and urged for revision of how practices are being funded based on the level of needs of the registered patients. She did say the business model of Gp at hand was good - Good at maximalising the funding formula of registered patients who are generally younger and less labour intensive in their care needs but that’s not saying it is Good or phenomenal (in a good way). The rep from ‘gp at hand’ claiming support from her is frankly misrepresenting her sentiments as I heard it. She stated it was very wrong for ‘cherry picking’ at the expense of stripping resource from other practices who are left with diminished funds to care for the more complicated patients who are not mobile. At no time did I hear her describe ‘Gp at hand’ as phenomenal. Disruptive yes. Perhaps the rep from ‘Gp at hand’ can respond to comment on ‘cherry picking’ rather than the words ‘phenomenal’. I think Pulse should revisit what they are reporting regards to the event. I was there and her words were in response to my question and I think I heard every word as she was literally 1 metre away.

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  • Council of Despair

    ‘GP at Hand - disruptive innovation at its most disruptive at the moment. Phenomenal technology, phenomenal business mind behind it, actually some very good clinicians, some great training for the doctors who work in it.

    sorry, but how does she know, where is the evidence and research to back up such a claim?

    it sounds as though she is trying to get a job with them??? let's wait and see....

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  • Vinci Ho

    I do believe Helen probably did not want the message to be ‘interpreted’ in this way . However , as I wrote under Jaimie’s editorial, it is about being an highly educated and prestigious scholar NOT to be used and exploited by people with own underlying agendas (politicians, technocrats as well as businessman; the worst combination of these called Donald Trump). Political wisdom and sensitivity are far more important in time like this . People should learn from history. The painful lesson of what Maureen said and the exploitation of that in House of Commons by David Cameron , was clearly forgotten.
    As it was being alluded above , the rep from’GP at hand’ wasted no time to exploit what she said .
    You can still criticise that I am too confrontational and belligerent but this is still a war we are fighting against this morally corrupt government . Every inch of ground matters.......

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  • Helen.....Helen.....Helen.....please shut up dear .....have a cuppa !

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  • Card Igan....you did the first 2 right things...got CCT....stopped subs....now it is time for the 3rd thing.....Emigrate....get out of this sh@t

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  • Dear Babylon,
    No answer yet.

    Can you please explain this statement?

    "NHS practices receive six times more funding for each 85-year-old woman than they do for a 15-44 year old man."

    I have no problem with disruptive technology but i may have with your statement.
    Regards
    Paul C

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  • @Paul Cundy
    Don't hold your breath.
    The world is full of serial liars these days.

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